[pve-devel] [POC qemu-server] fix 3303: allow "live" upgrade of qemu version

Thomas Lamprecht t.lamprecht at proxmox.com
Thu Apr 8 18:44:17 CEST 2021

On 08.04.21 12:33, Fabian Ebner wrote:
> The code is in a very early state, I'm just sending this to discuss the idea.
> I didn't do a whole lot of testing yet, but it does seem to work.
> The idea is rather simple:
> 1. save the state to ramfs
> 2. stop the VM
> 3. start the VM loading the state

For the record, as we (Dietmar, you and I) discussed this a bit off-list:

The issue we see here is that one temporarily requires a potential big chunk of
free memory, i.e., another time the amount the guest is assigned. So tens to
hundreds of GiB, which (educated guess) > 90 % of our users just do not have
available, at least for the bigger VMs of theirs.

So, it would be nicer if we could makes this more QEMU internal, e.g., just save
the state out (as that one may not be compatible 1:1 for reuse with the new QEMU
version) and re-use the guest memory directly, e.g., start new QEMU process
migrate state and map over the guest-memory, then pause old one, cont new one and
be done (very condensed).
That may have it's own difficulties/edge-cases, but it would not require having
so much extra memory freely available...

> This approach solves the problem that our stack is (currently) not designed to
> have multiple instances with the same VM ID running. To do so, we'd need to
> handle config locking, sockets, pid file, passthrough resources?, etc.
> Another nice feature of this approach is that it doesn't require touching the
> vm_start or migration code at all, avoiding further bloating.
> Thanks to Fabian G. and Stefan for inspiring this idea:
> Fabian G. suggested using the suspend to disk + start route if the required
> changes to our stack would turn out to be infeasable.
> Stefan suggested migrating to a dummy VM (outside our stack) which just holds
> the state and migrating back right away. It seems that dummy VM is in fact not
> even needed ;) If we really really care about smallest possible downtime, this
> approach might still be the best, and we'd need to start the dummy VM while the
> backwards migration runs (resulting in two times the migration downtime). But
> it does have more moving parts and requires some migration/startup changes.
> Fabian Ebner (6):
>   create vmstate_size helper
>   create savevm_monitor helper
>   draft of upgrade_qemu function
>   draft of qemuupgrade API call
>   add timing for testing
>   add usleep parameter to savevm_monitor
>  PVE/API2/Qemu.pm  |  60 ++++++++++++++++++++++
>  PVE/QemuConfig.pm |  10 +---
>  PVE/QemuServer.pm | 125 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------
>  3 files changed, 170 insertions(+), 25 deletions(-)

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