[pve-devel] [PATCH pve-docs] improve spectre/meltdown cpu flags documentation

Alexandre DERUMIER aderumier at odiso.com
Wed Aug 29 09:10:59 CEST 2018


Hi Wolfgang,
thanks for the review.

About the grep checks, I wonder if we can give a link to 
https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker

This is a nice maintened script, testing all spectre/meltdown cve, giving current protection status.

Seem to be simplier for user

What do you think about this ?




----- Mail original -----
De: "Wolfgang Bumiller" <w.bumiller at proxmox.com>
À: "aderumier" <aderumier at odiso.com>
Cc: "pve-devel" <pve-devel at pve.proxmox.com>
Envoyé: Mardi 28 Août 2018 13:09:12
Objet: Re: [pve-devel] [PATCH pve-docs] improve spectre/meltdown cpu flags documentation

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 08:02:51PM +0200, Alexandre Derumier wrote: 
> -add new cpuflags for spectre v4. 
> -split cpuflags between amd && intel processors 
> --- 
> qm.adoc | 109 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------- 
> 1 file changed, 86 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-) 
> 
> diff --git a/qm.adoc b/qm.adoc 
> index 28d2a38..32e4fa6 100644 
> --- a/qm.adoc 
> +++ b/qm.adoc 
> @@ -307,56 +307,119 @@ theory this will give your guests maximum performance. 
> Meltdown / Spectre related CPU flags 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> 
> -There are two CPU flags related to the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities 
> +There are CPU flags related to the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities 

Maybe add 'several'? 

> footnote:[Meltdown Attack https://meltdownattack.com/] which need to be set 
> manually unless the selected CPU type of your VM already enables them by default. 
> 
> -The first, called 'pcid', helps to reduce the performance impact of the Meltdown 
> -mitigation called 'Kernel Page-Table Isolation (KPTI)', which effectively hides 
> -the Kernel memory from the user space. Without PCID, KPTI is quite an expensive 
> -mechanism footnote:[PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 
> -https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/mechanical-sympathy/L9mHTbeQLNU]. 
> - 
> -The second CPU flag is called 'spec-ctrl', which allows an operating system to 
> -selectively disable or restrict speculative execution in order to limit the 
> -ability of attackers to exploit the Spectre vulnerability. 
> - 
> -There are two requirements that need to be fulfilled in order to use these two 
> +There are two requirements that need to be fulfilled in order to use these 
> CPU flags: 
> 
> * The host CPU(s) must support the feature and propagate it to the guest's virtual CPU(s) 
> * The guest operating system must be updated to a version which mitigates the 
> attacks and is able to utilize the CPU feature 
> 
> -In order to use 'spec-ctrl', your CPU or system vendor also needs to provide a 
> +Otherwise you need to set the desired CPU flag of the virtual CPU, either by 
> +editing the CPU options in the WebUI, or by setting the 'flags' property of the 
> +'cpu' option in the VM configuration file. 
> + 
> +For Spectre v1,v2,v4 fixes, your CPU or system vendor also needs to provide a 
> so-called ``microcode update'' footnote:[You can use `intel-microcode' / 
> `amd-microcode' from Debian non-free if your vendor does not provide such an 
> update. Note that not all affected CPUs can be updated to support spec-ctrl.] 
> for your CPU. 
> 
> -To check if the {pve} host supports PCID, execute the following command as root: 
> 
> +Intel processors 
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> + 
> +* 'pcid' 
> ++ 
> +helps to reduce the performance impact of the Meltdown (CVE-2017-5754) mitigation 

With the new formatting this should probably be a separate sentence? 

'This reduces the performance impact ...' 

> +called 'Kernel Page-Table Isolation (KPTI)', which effectively hides 
> +the Kernel memory from the user space. Without PCID, KPTI is quite an expensive 
> +mechanism footnote:[PCID is now a critical performance/security feature on x86 
> +https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/mechanical-sympathy/L9mHTbeQLNU]. 
> ++ 
> +To check if the {pve} host supports PCID, execute the following command as root: 
> ++ 
> ---- 
> # grep ' pcid ' /proc/cpuinfo 
> ---- 
> - 
> ++ 
> If this does not return empty your host's CPU has support for 'pcid'. 
> 
> +* 'spec-ctrl' 
> ++ 
> +Required to enable the Spectre v1 (CVE-2017-5753) and Spectre v2 (CVE-2017-5715) fix, 
> +in cases where retpolines are not sufficient. 
> +Included by default in Intel CPU models with -IBRS suffix. 
> +Must be explicitly turned on for Intel CPU models without -IBRS suffix. 
> +Requires the host CPU microcode (intel-microcode >= 20180425). 
> ++ 
> To check if the {pve} host supports spec-ctrl, execute the following command as root: 
> ++ 
> +---- 
> +# grep ' spectre_v1 ' /proc/cpuinfo 
> +# grep ' spectre_v2 ' /proc/cpuinfo 

These are in the 'bugs' line, not the 'flags' line. We can have the bug 
without the fix AFAIK. Why not grep for spec_ctrl as we did previously? 

> +---- 
> ++ 
> +If this does not return empty your host's CPU has support for 'spec-ctrl'. 
> + 
> 
> +* 'ssbd' 
> ++ 
> +Required to enable the Spectre V4 (CVE-2018-3639) fix. Not included by default in any Intel CPU model. 
> +Must be explicitly turned on for all Intel CPU models. 
> +Requires the host CPU microcode(intel-microcode >= 20180703). 
> ++ 
> +To check if the {pve} host supports spec-ctrl, execute the following command as root: 

s/spec-ctrl/ssbd/ 

> ++ 
> ---- 
> -# grep ' spec_ctrl ' /proc/cpuinfo 
> +# grep ' spec_store_bypass ' /proc/cpuinfo 

Again: why check for the bug when we're looking for the fix? 

> ---- 
> ++ 
> +If this does not return empty your host's CPU has support for 'ssbd'. 
> 
> -If this does not return empty your host's CPU has support for 'spec-ctrl'. 
> 
> -If you use `host' or another CPU type which enables the desired flags by 
> -default, and you updated your guest OS to make use of the associated CPU 
> -features, you're already set. 
> +AMD processors 
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> + 

All these could also include the /proc/cpuinfo grep check I suppose. 
Maybe we can unify them, though? After all, they should all work the 
same way? 

> +* 'ibpb' 
> ++ 
> +Required to enable the Spectre v1 (CVE-2017-5753) and Spectre v2 (CVE-2017-5715) fix, 
> +in cases where retpolines are not sufficient. 
> +Included by default in AMD CPU models with -IBPB suffix. 
> +Must be explicitly turned on for AMD CPU models without -IBPB suffix. 
> +Requires the host CPU microcode to support this feature before it can be used for guest CPUs. 
> + 
> + 
> + 
> +* 'virt-ssbd' 
> ++ 
> +Required to enable the Spectre v4 (CVE-2018-3639) fix. 
> +Not included by default in any AMD CPU model. 
> +Must be explicitly turned on for all AMD CPU models. 
> +This should be provided to guests, even if amd-ssbd is also provided, for maximum guest compatibility. 
> +Note for some QEMU / libvirt versions, this must be force enabled when when using "Host model", 
> +because this is a virtual feature that doesn’t exist in the physical host CPUs. 
> + 
> + 
> +* 'amd-ssbd' 
> ++ 
> +Required to enable the Spectre v4 (CVE-2018-3639) fix. 
> +Not included by default in any AMD CPU model. Must be explicitly turned on for all AMD CPU models. 
> +This provides higher performance than virt-ssbd so should be exposed to guests whenever available in the host. 
> +virt-ssbd should none the less also be exposed for maximum guest compatibility as some kernels only know about virt-ssbd. 
> + 
> + 
> +* 'amd-no-ssb' 
> ++ 
> +Recommended to indicate the host is not vulnerable to Spectre V4 (CVE-2018-3639). 
> +Not included by default in any AMD CPU model. 
> +Future hardware generations of CPU will not be vulnerable to CVE-2018-3639, 
> +and thus the guest should be told not to enable its mitigations, by exposing amd-no-ssb. 
> +This is mutually exclusive with virt-ssbd and amd-ssbd. 
> 
> -Otherwise you need to set the desired CPU flag of the virtual CPU, either by 
> -editing the CPU options in the WebUI, or by setting the 'flags' property of the 
> -'cpu' option in the VM configuration file. 
> 
> NUMA 
> ^^^^ 
> -- 
> 2.11.0 




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