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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE-AT link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>do you have also a solution to move the data finally to a tape (vzdump – backuppc- tape?)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>storing backups on disk is not enough in most cases, just think of accounting regulations, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>br, martin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> pve-user-bounces@pve.proxmox.com [mailto:pve-user-bounces@pve.proxmox.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Niemantsverdriet<br><b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 03. März 2010 16:47<br><b>To:</b> Adam<br><b>Cc:</b> pve-user@pve.proxmox.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PVE-User] Incremental vzdump<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Adam,<br><br>I think that you will find that if you take one snap shot every couple of weeks and pair that with a incremental backup soultion (I use backuppc) you will find that to be really elegant solution. I stagger my vzdump images so that two get taken per night and pair that with backuppc. It works I have had to restore a couple times and the process is easy, just restore the recent image with vzdump then click the restore button on backuppc.<br><br>Hope that helps,<br> _<br>/-\ ndrew<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Adam <<a href="mailto:adam@blackfoot.co.uk">adam@blackfoot.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your reply.<br><br>We do appreciate, and agree with, the intent to not implement a full backup solution. However I think there is perhaps a space between third party backup solutions and the ability to do OpenVZ/Proxmox specific backups on a per container level.<br><br>We currently have a third party solution to incrementally backup the entire proxmox hosts, but do miss this ability to easily restore a specific container, which is where our thoughts are coming from.<br><br>As mentioned in my original email we effectively just want to replace the final 'tar' part of the vzdump from LVM snapshot to an archive, with an rsync to a dir. Rather than re-implement the entire process we perhaps think this would be best suited somewhere within the vzdump code, making use of the existing LVM snapshot/storage models internal to Proxmox.<br><br>I think perhaps we'll look at putting something together for our specific purposes, see how things work out in terms of performance, and then look at the possibility of contributing a patch if things work well.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>- Adam</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 03/03/2010 12:38, Martin Maurer wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You are on the right list (there is only one in the moment).<br><br>We do not think that Proxmox VE (vzdump) should be a full backup solutions, there are already a lot of them around with millions of features. The project will focus on the core (Virtualization& Management). If you keep the container small, vzdump works quite well - use bind mounts to include the big data parts.<br><br>Just think of Bacula and also other open source solution - vzdump can never cover all this. I would use a combination of a backup and vzdump, you already went this way.<br><br>But yes, we accept patches and enhancements for vzdump, I suggest you post in detail what you plan here (before you start implementing) and you can post patches or if needed, you can get access to svn also.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Br, Martin <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>_<br>/-\ ndrew Niemantsverdriet<br>Academic Computing<br>(406) 238-7360<br>Rocky Mountain College<br>1511 Poly Dr. <br>Billings MT, 59102<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>